Tuesday, February 7, 2012 - 7:52 AM
Steve Walt argues that NATO's Libya overreach was critical to the Syria diplomatic stalemate:
[I]t is both ironic and tragic that some of the most enthusiastic defenders of multilateralism and international law seem all too willing to ignore them when they get in the way of other things they want to do, however laudable the latter goal might be. But a commitment to multilateralism and international law is not something you can invoke when it suits you and ignore when it doesn't, at least not without paying a price. Powerful states like the United States can (and do) act with impunity on occasion, but they shouldn't be surprised when such behavior backfires later on.
I agree with some of this and argued as much early in the Libya campaign, when it became apparent that the West was going to use its UN authorization to protect civilians as a lever to pursue regime change. I even wondered whether abusing Council authorization wasn't worse in the long run than simply bypassing the Council.
But there is something profoundly disorienting about a self-proclaimed realist making this kind of argument. Is Walt saying that the West should have not pursued its strategic goal of ousting Gaddafi out of deference to the fine points of a Security Council resolution? (From a narrow national-interest perspective, the Libya campaign seems to be a model: a limited investment to secure the ouster of a troublesome national leader without any committment to prolonged nation-building in the aftermath.) And since--from Walt's perspective--international relations is all about interests, why can't one simply turn on and off the rhetoric about multilateralism and law? It's all rhetoric in any case, isn't it? Surely Walt doesn't believe that uber-realist Russia and China are actually offended by the abuse of multilateral institutions?
I demand that Steve Walt rise and tell us whether he is actually, in some secret chamber of his heart, a believer in international law and institutions.
More: A reader writes this:
Why can't it simply be the case that they recognize that the defence of multilateral institutions from abuse at the hands of the world's sole superpower is a vital national interest for them both?
After all, this is a truism: even together [Russia and China] are not The Biggest Bruisers On The Block.
It is therefore in their national interest that the rule of the jungle does not prevail in international relations, precisely because there are Much Bigger Brutes Than Them lurching around the foliage.
Bosco seems to be quick to laud the USA's willingness to pursue its own national interest, yet he seems to be remarkably reluctant to consider that other countries might consider it to be in THEIR national interest to remind Uncle Sam - just occasionally - that he is at risk of getting drunk with power.
My point here was not really about the merits of pursuing the national interest. It's about realism and the role that realists assign to international organizations and international law. From a realist perspective (and here you can see this classic article by Walt's co-author, John Mearsheimer) international organizations and law are all but irrelevant. They are either entirely cosmetic or mere reflections of state power. They certainly do not alter the way that states exercise that power. So it is passing strange for someone from this theoretical tradition to argue that that there would be any significant "blowback" due to alleged abuse of Security Council authorization.
My own guess (maybe more of a hope) is that Walt may be tiptoeing toward making a realist case for international institutions and law. The argument might run like this: in a world where damaging and potentially catastrophic conflict is always possible, the primary political virtues are prudence and restraint (something classical realists have long argued). International law and institutions in many respects attempt to build up habits of prudence by requiring that action--particularly military force--clear certain procedural hurdles, notably the Security Council veto. The realist will never believe that political leaders would follow organizational rules or international law out of any sense of obligation. But maybe leaders can be convinced that following the rules is almost always the most prudent course.
The brewing proxy war in Syria
By Daniel Larison | The Week – Feb 7, 2012
"The double-veto on Syria now joins the list of recent Russian and Chinese vetoes to protect pariah states and clients, including opposition to U.N. resolutions against Myanmar in 2007 and Zimbabwe in 2008. Had the resolution passed, it would have demonstrated Syria's growing international isolation, but would have promised no consequences for non-compliance, and would have had no effect on Syrian regime behavior.
As it was, Russia chose to protect its client from condemnation, and in the process rebuked Western powers for their perceived overreach in interpreting UNSCR 1973 — which authorized military action against Libya last spring. Syria is a very different case, as the fall of the Assad regime is as unwelcome to Russia and Iran as it is desired by many in the West."
Getting rid of Gaddafi is in the US national interest??
Sure the neocons and the defense industry lobbyists would like to argue this line, but given what is happening in Libya now it's not difficult to argue otherwise.
Since when does the removal of a dictator automatically mean that the next person coming to power would be any better for both the people and the Western nations?
It's pretty simple, when you think about it.
The USA's national interest in upholding the treaties that it signs is so self-apparent that The Constitution says that any treaty signed by the USA automatically become The Law of The Land.
So if you don't want to live up to your treaty obligations then Don't Sign The Damn Treaty, but if you do then you are bound by that signature.
Now, with respect to the United Nations there is a treaty that you must sign before you are allowed to join: the UN Charter.
With that in mind, I'll now point you to Article 25 of the UN Charter:
"The Members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council in accordance with the present Charter."
Bosco: "Is Walt saying that the West should have not pursued its strategic goal of ousting Gaddafi out of deference to the fine points of a Security Council resolution?"
UN Charter, Article 25, dude.
When the USA joined the United Nations it signed a T.R.E.A.T.Y wherein it A.G.R.E.E.D. that it would show "deference to the fine points of a Security Council resolution".
So, back atch'a, Bosco: are you saying that the USA should trash its treaty obligations when they become inconvenient?
If so, then what's the point of treaties?
Germany circa 1938 held the belief that treaties were rubbish, to be trashed as and when convenient. But I thought the USA was supposed to be better than that.
Apparently not.....
How about who cares what he likes...
isnt it obvious anyway?
"How about who cares what he likes..."
"How about who cares what he likes..."
David Bosco cares, apparently.
"isnt it obvious anyway?"
No, which is why David Bosco asked.
USMARINESNIPER sings the jolly 7 dwarfs song
Ad-hom, Ad-hom! It's off to work we go!
But which one are you, SNIPER? Sleepy? Doc? Grumpy?
Nah. It's gotta be Dopey.
What an elegant contribution to discussion! Hooray!
"What an elegant contribution to discussion!"
Which is now..... gone, I see.
If only the IDFSNIPER would take that hint.....
"Surely Walt doesn't believe that uber-realist Russia and China are actually offended by the abuse of multilateral institutions?"
"offended"? Such an emotive word.....
Why can't it simply be the case that they recognize that the defence of multilateral institutions from abuse at the hands of the world's sole superpower is a vital national interest for them both?
After all, this is a truism: even together those two are not The Biggest Bruisers On The Block.
It is therefore in their national interest that the rule of the jungle does not prevail in international relations, precisely because there are Much Bigger Brutes Than Them lurching around the foliage.
Bosco seems to be quick to laud the USA's willingness to pursue its own national interest, yet he seems to be remarkably reluctant to consider that other countries might consider it to be in THEIR national interest to remind Uncle Sam - just occasionally - that he is at risk of getting drunk with power.
Best I get my reply in quick...
..... since your post is not going to stay up for long.
You are a tool, EH, and in more ways than one.
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